donttouchmycogs is nothing but a bully

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For over a year ive been taking abuse from "donttouchmycogs" being insulting and abusing power on this site by leaving inflammatory comments on submissions and mishandling the artist gallery of art submissions i had provided.

Tried bringing this to the attention of the owner to no avail given this mod had continued the abuse, the last action being deleting a vast ammount of art submissions at the RDK gallery after banning my account for over a month. Such actions are pretty petty and decided to speak out because i wont be silent about it any longer. I believe his abusive behavior will affect this site and everyone on it in a negative way if he is allowed to continue unchecked so i hope something can be done about it soon.

As for me will not contribute anymore to the site. Had enough of his bullying.

Can you link to some specific examples? It's easy to throw out accusations, but without the receipts, there is no way to evaluate your claims. A few examples of deletions that you think were bad and inappropriate comments would help your claims.

That said, there is next to zero chance of your claims going anywhere. The "owner" is long absent. Cogs is basically the only active authority that this side of the site has. There really is noone active that is above him. So even if your claims are 100% accurate (and given how I have seen Cogs operate, I'm highly doubtful of that) they are almost certain to go nowhere.

As for the RDK situation, a glance through a random few of your deleted submissions shows images deleted for being of poor quality. And I agree with these. The deleted images were IMHO of rather low quality. You obviously disagree, but that does not make the deletions incorrect. Cogs is the ruling authority here, and he decides the acceptable level of quality. A line needs to exist for minimum quality accepted on the site, or it would be flooded with absolute crap. You disagree with where that line is drawn, but that does not equate to "mishandling". The line needs to be somewhere, and Cogs has set the line.

Updated

59 deletd posts, all are poor quality. nothing wrong here...
a ban for 1 week for posting poor quality is okay. nothing wrong here...
a ban for 1 month for re-upload of deleted pics. maybe "to long" but reasonable. again: nothing wrong here...

Leo is right, we need some more details. + evidence

Honestly, as the others said, this is just throwing in a bunch of accusations without proving anything.

In my eyes, the second ban I'd have made it permanent if the user doesn't learn, so... all is looking fair to me, if not a bit soft.

As for me will not contribute anymore to the site. Had enough of his bullying.

I appreciate that you want to contribute, but most of what you were uploading was just super basic line sketches. It's not the kind of stuff that folks are going to actively look up later. They just clutter up the archive and get in the way when folks search for specific tags. Finished works are a lot harder to come by, but they are what users will want to open. Cast about for the good stuff, and even if you only find one picture per month that helps.

@Nickthetoon tbh ive been more than fair with you. im sorry your so sensitive and get butt hurt over it. but if you post crap all the time you're gonna get scolded for it. what am i suppose to do pat you on the back and give you a cookie? as i said in the comment section im doing my job with the rules that are in place by the owner himself. if we had no quality standards this site server would be loaded with garbage posts taking up space. you reposted stuff that was expunged for extreme poor quality (and also due to the stupid deletion button not working half the time and you appealing every dang post) i was getting tired of these showing up in the modqueue.

do you know what bullying is? if i was a power hungry jerk i would have taken over the site by now and called it "cogs land" with the slogan "i own you" i also would have ban your arse on your first post.

i work my arse to the bone on this site trying to make it better. its alot of hard work sometimes im on here 10 hours a day. before me this site was down to just 1 mod no admins no owners thats it. now i have atleast 20 people helping out on this site i try to be as fair as possible. you are just another sensitive user. however i will hold true to my word. i wont ban you again. if you decide to post better and not be a pussy. but if you want to become a lurker and not contribute. be my guest cause your posts are not welcome here if you are gonna continue to posts the same old crap.

also to anyone looking at this thread take a look at nickthetoon deleted section. and wile your at is take a look at his gallery

deleted gallery
https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts?tags=status%3Adeleted+user%3ANickthetoon

gallery
https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts?tags=+user%3ANickthetoon

and then you can see why ive been on this guy for posting crap.

heres some interaction between nickthetoon and i just to prove im not being an arse.

read the comments
https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/395968?q=user%3ANickthetoon

the first post i deleted i put (crap) or (this is crap) as a reason for deletion which resulted in him sending me this dm
https://imgur.com/a/MNs0Cd3

i replied to him with this DM
https://imgur.com/a/9oONqMr

and fyi it hasnt been a year check the date on the email this all started in roughly that time frame.
anyways. i hope that clears things up.

A very interesting possibility has been raised.

https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/395578

The evidence is entirely circumstantial, but it would explain a lot. The possibility is that Nickthetoon is actually RDK.

Looking through Nick's uploads, I can only see one that is not an RDK work.

It would explain why he is reacting so personally to comments about the low quality of RDK's work.

On a recent post he accused Cogs of bullying him by Cogs deleting a RDK post that Cogs had himself uploaded. The accusation made zero sense to me, as Nick was uninvolved in that post. Nick being RDK makes that accusation make sense.

No idea if this is true, but it would explain a lot about the way Nick is reacting to all of this.

Minor point to OP - people who engage in bullying (ie bullies) always have other aspects to them.
IE even Nelson Muntz is more than -just- a bully, therefore I wouldn't call him "nothing but a bully" but rather "also a bully".

In the case of cogs even though he'll be pretty brutal with me sometimes sometimes about art 'quality' (or whether to classify tanner 4 v tanner 5) regarding a lot of subjective borderline issues, even if that occasionally makes me feel bullied I still wouldn't characterize it anywhere near his primary attribute given so much more time is put into uploading artwork like fellow power-users.

Nickthetoon said:
leaving inflammatory comments on submissions and mishandling the artist gallery of art submissions i had provided.

Inflammatory is subjective so it's better to provide direct quotes and link them.
I think a lot of the time this can come from him trying to communicate ideas of what is or isn't "quality" and those of us who are inclusionists who want to get as much stuff we like as possible will occasionally prod these boundaries just to see how tolerant the mods are feeling of certain cartoonish drawing styles.

Tried bringing this to the attention of the owner to no avail given this mod had continued the abuse, the last action being deleting a vast ammount of art submissions at the RDK gallery

As long as they're soft-deletes and not hard-deletes you can still view removed content via https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts?tags=rdk+status%3Adeleted so I think the main thing to take comfort in is our efforts to be art historians are not being interfered with, he's just pruning the aesthetics of what gets displayed prominently. It's not anywhere near the assholery of Paheal mods who nuke tags and make the art forever-gone, by comparison.

after banning my account for over a month.

Not sure what you mean about 'over' a month, this is easy to check at https://booru.allthefallen.moe/user_feedbacks?search%5Buser_id%5D=44281

30 August 2022 says a 1-week ban in response to something at https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/420615 which I can't view (I think nuked) but based on description appears to be a combo of too-old plus low-qual.

28 November 2022 says 1-month ban in response to something unspecified but was described as "content we deleted". Kinda curious if it was the same August piece or something else.

30 December 2022 says "forever" and I don't see any uploads in December (unless they got hard-deleted?) so it gives the impression this was due to commentary rather than uploads. Could you clarify this Cogs?

Such actions are pretty petty and decided to speak out because i wont be silent about it any longer. I believe his abusive behavior will affect this site and everyone on it in a negative way if he is allowed to continue unchecked so i hope something can be done about it soon.

TBH the issue of quality-policing can sometimes go overboard, and there are some of your deleted uploads I'd like to see restored, but other stuff like https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/435279 is obviously off-topic and not in a "borderline loli" kind of way.

Probably a good first step to reconciling would be to at least apologize for that, though NTT won't be able to do so with a permaban so I'm wondering if perhaps that could be shortened to a year?

I notice however there is some suspicious activity by an account which gives the impression of it being a sockpuppet or meatpuppet.

https://booru.allthefallen.moe/users/60218

"Xexiz" was created 2 December 2022 and has lain dormant until having a slew of activity today which appeasrs to be only appealing pieces uploaded by NickTheToon

https://booru.allthefallen.moe/post_appeals?search%5Bcreator_name%5D=Xexiz

If this is you, spamming the pending log probably isn't going to do you any favors in terms of looking good to the userbase.

Although I actually like most of the art you appealed, you also filed an appeal for https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/435279 which is clearly trolling

ty22 said:

It's resolved, and there never was a scandal. It was just the admin deleting lousy sketches, and the uploader--who may or may not be the artist himself--throwing a tantrum over it until he got banned. Honestly, nothing of value was lost.

@ty22 the first time i ban him is cause he posted too old on top of it being crap. the second time i had expunged a post cause i couldnt get the delete button to work and he reposted it. finally i ban him cause he would stop even with another chance.

then the other user that started appealing all of nickthetoons post was banned and i expunged most of the already deleted posts so he couldnt appeal them again. i really hate when users go bad. we have quality standards and he refused to follow them.

DontTouchMyCogs said:
i expunged most of the already deleted posts so he couldnt appeal them again.

I wish there was some way we could retain them in a soft-deleted fashion while disabling the appeal button, that's preferable to a complete purge since I could still look at them and see what they were, etc.

What if there was some way to restrict the 'appeal' function to builders like myself and not have the button available to casual users? That way purging soft-deletes wouldn't be necessary to prevent situations where appeals get spammed by newly-registered sockpuppet accounts.

zx29b said:
It's resolved, and there never was a scandal.
It was just the admin deleting lousy sketches, and the uploader--who may or may not be the artist himself--throwing a tantrum over it until he got banned.

Where to draw the line on lousiness will always be scandalous. Some seemed borderline.

Honestly, nothing of value was lost.

I liked some of the art. While it's obvious uploading/appealing that Foxy Love BJ was a tantrum, the rest seemed to have cuteness and it's sad this would get lost.

Especially if it turns out Nickthetoon wasn't RDK and just a fan, I wouldn't want the unconfirmed behavior of NTT to besmirch RDK's reputastion.

I upload a lot of Pookie's art to Paheal for example so some people might assume I was Pookie (if they didn't notice us talking to each other on Palcomix) especially if I stood up for the work.

What if there was some way to restrict the 'appeal' function to builders like myself and not have the button available to casual users? That way purging soft-deletes wouldn't be necessary to prevent situations where appeals get spammed by newly-registered sockpuppet accounts.

That would defeat the purpose of the appeal function. It is an appeal to the admin in regard to a decision made by builders and others who have approval authority. It is only useful to rank-and-file members. Honestly, what use would a builder ever have for it?

Where to draw the line on lousiness will always be scandalous. Some seemed borderline.

Since you seem to be taking the "subjective value of art" approach, you will grant that no line would ever make any sense. Instead, whether or not an image has a use-value to someone who does approving work is the only criteria for that image to be accepted. The plain fact is that nobody here has any use for shoddy sketches. They are not sexually arousing. They are not particularly visually appealing. They are not intellectually stimulating. They are useless.

Surely even you, who have been known to upload some dodgy sketches now and again, do not actually get off to that sort of thing. When you want to look at something to feel a bit of a charge no doubt you look up the good stuff; we have plenty of it here. I don't claim to know what you think, but I highly suspect that the only use that you have for the awful things is that they provide you the basis to make an ideological point.

I liked some of the art. While it's obvious uploading/appealing that Foxy Love BJ was a tantrum, the rest seemed to have cuteness and it's sad this would get lost.

The RDK stuff was lazy, had worse perspective than Ptolemaic Dynasty hieroglyphs, and was not in any way aesthetic.

Especially if it turns out Nickthetoon wasn't RDK and just a fan, I wouldn't want the unconfirmed behavior of NTT to besmirch RDK's reputastion.

Whether he is or is not RDK does not particularly matter. I suspect that he is. As Leortha pointed out, there is no other reason for him to either notice or care about Cogs deleting some old RDK images that he himself had not uploaded, but whatever. None of us have cause to ever run into RDK. Hell, we could pass by him on the street and never know who he was, as it should be on the internet.

you upload tons of art lol. nickthetoon other than a few posts only posted RudyDickKicker's work. and considering how butt hurt he got even going as far as using another account to appeal. im 99% sure hes the artist under a different name. i suspected it first time he messages me that was the artist. there is no way to restrict a user from appealing a post.

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