Can we pls stop namekianer from deleting all kinds of tags from all kinds of pictures?

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PurpleMelon said:

What the title says.

I don't see how the changes he makes are actually bad. Can you give me an example? Have you PMed the user yourself about the matter? As long as there is no malicious intend or obvious wrongful tagging, I don't see a reason to take action.

Got some informations from ne the moderators at sankakucomplex:

User Score Reporter When Body
namekianer negative radruss 1 year ago

Accounts banned update:

namekianer (main), new god, spamtrasher2012, missmagic, armageddon001, the lover, newmember, fairy2015, the thor, mr.green, geronimo, thewarrior, eraser1, nik x, sanka2016, thebuster, multi delete me, facepalm, namekianer1, namekianer2, DFlame, namekianer3, probekonto, alice2000, namekianer kakerlake, namekianer4, namekianer5, namekianer6, namekianer7

For more details on namekianer's autistic screeching go here:
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/forum/show/12441

namekianer negative radruss 1 year ago

namekianer, the rabid autist and repeat offender in tag vandalism now has multiple banned accounts.

Alt accounts (so far): spamtrasher2012, mr.green, the thor, thewarrior, facepalm, eraser1, geronimo, nik x, namekianer1, namekianer2

namekianer negative ALAKTORN 1 year ago

Blocked: Hasn’t learnt anything in years and after being banned twice. Permanent ban.

namekianer negative radruss 1 year ago

Futanari and Newhalf are not traps and or yaoi, I've explained this before, familiarize yourself with their differences. Also, this is not a safe space, loli is allowed here and that includes 3d models of them. Do not vandalize tags.

namekianer negative ALAKTORN 2 years ago

Blocked: Continues to vandalize tags despite having been banned before because of it.

namekianer negative ALAKTORN 2 years ago

Blocked: Won’t stop doing whatever the fuck he wants despite staff warnings.

I'm actually speechless. Also looks like we will have a lot of tag fixing to do later on. Looks like nicostw is already on it re-adding the missionary tag to images where namekianer removed them for no reason.

Hello

So if I get this correctly, the problems here are that:

- (S)He removes the "missionary" tag from artworks featuring 2 boys (no male + female). EDIT: Actually, I think it's the fact that not both of them are "lying down" is what makes this person remove the tag.
- (S)He removes the 1girl/2girls/etc from artworks that feature futas. This also implies "loli".
- (S)He removes the "loli" tag from artworks that feature a somewhat older looking girl.
- (S)He removes the "teenager" tag for whatever reason.

As for the second, some image boards seem to use the 1girl, 2girls, ... tag in combination with futanari. Danbooru is an example, even though their rules specify that futa x girl is not yuri, and futa x male is not yaoi, which implies that they don't like the male/female association with futa, so they basically don't follow their own rules (at least, that's the way I interpret it). Other images boards like e621 mention that futanari cannot be used in combination with female or male (if referring to that futa alone), because it is neither, in which case the 1girl, 2girls, ... tag wouldn't make sense. I don't really care either way since there doesn't appear to be a standard.

The third one is only fair when the girl depicted is clearly not prepubescent. This is a debate where someone thinks picture X is loli, and someone else thinks it's not. While our upload rules mention only loli/shota/cub content is allowed, we clearly have no problem with teenagers who are older than what a "loli" would technically imply if we follow the "loli = looks like prepubescent girl" rule. I personally have no problem with it being used either way. The tag removal is unnecessary in this case.

The removal of "teenager" is probably because this person is following danbooru's rules regarding the word "teenage", where this tag can only be used if the character depicted is depicted as a teenager rather than at the age they originally were (and not just when the character is a teenager themselves by default). Again, e621 seems to use this tag differently where it refers to any character who is between the age of 13 and 19. We do not have our own ruleset regarding tags (because this would take ages to make ourselves), although I don't see the point of removing the tag anyway.

If there are any other changes that bother you, I want a specific example, because I don't know all tag usage by heart, and I don't know whether this person removing those tags is justified or not. I will message this person, redirecting him to this thread, and see what (s)he has to say.

There is no need to manually re-add the tags that have been removed, since any moderator can do this easily by reverting all the changes (or specific changes) that were made by a specific user.

I think the main problem here is that it's hard to tell whether the tag removals are justified our not, considering we don't have our own rules for tag usage. It would perhaps be safe to specify what rules we follow (whether it's our own or another image board's rules), in order to keep tagging consistent.

- thatenemy

EDIT: It also appears "futanari" is being removed and replaced with "intersex", even though the usage of "futanari" is correct.

Updated

Sorry for the late answer, but i was busy and offline for some days.
so, how can i help you guys?
i just see some of you have a problem with my tag-edits.

must i explain any edit or are some basics enough?

first thing: im not a member of sankaku. it makes no sense to be part of a "community" without an active admin and some good mods...

Dampfnudel said:

du warst es aber mal...

wrong /falsch

i guess i should explain my edits a little bit.

1- (S)He removes the "missionary" tag from artworks featuring 2 boys (no male + female). EDIT: Actually, I think it's the fact that not both of them are "lying down" is what makes this person remove the tag.
must i realy explain the most used sex_position of us humans? i hope not...

2- (S)He removes the 1girl/2girls/etc from artworks that feature futas. This also implies "loli".
if you dont know the difference between boys, girls, futanari, newhalf, im just wasting my time.
girls have no penis after all...

3- (S)He removes the "loli" tag from artworks that feature a somewhat older looking girl.
correct! i removed the tag when we have 1 single person on the pic. no age_regression/ age_progression and the upload was tagged with loli AND teenager.
no need to be a genius: one of the tags is wrong.

4- (S)He removes the "teenager" tag for whatever reason.
same like point 3

you guys are fast when someone makes "bad edits", but no word that i haved added some sources, charas and artists into the groups.
or edits like that:
92959.155951 » 2019-01-26 14:45 namekianer e +anus +artificial_vagina +bdsm +black_hair +bondage +bottomless +bound +censored +copyright_request +covered_nipples +crab_man +cum +cum_pool +cum_string +flat_chest +futanari +gag +gagged +hair_ornament +hairclip +horns +intersex +leg_up +little_penis +long_hair +monster_girl +mosaic_censoring +navel +open_clothes +open_robe +penis +pointy_ears +pussy_juice +red_skin +robe +saliva +simple_background +socks +solo +spread_legs +sweat +tears +rating:e

OR
262728.154390 » 2019-01-24 18:05 namekianer e +age_difference +animal_ears +blush +bunny_ears +bunny_tail +buttjob +cameltoe +cowgirl_position +deepthroat +drooling +earrings +erection +fangs +fellatio +frottage +girl_on_top +gloves +hat +heart +heart-shaped_pupils +hetero +jewelry +moaning +navel +nipples +oral +orgasm +penis +precum +pussy_juice +saliva +straddling +symbol-shaped_pupils +tail +transparent_clothes +uncensored +undressing 1boy 1girl animated ass cum cum_in_pussy flat_chest gs-mantis halloween highres huge_filesize inflation loli long_hair original pussy vaginal video_with_sound webm rating:e

OR
260285.154104 » 2019-01-23 17:17 namekianer e +1boy +age_difference +ass +black_hair +blue_eyes +blush +bow +chibi_usa +flat_chest +hair_bow +hetero +magical_girl +moaning +open_mouth +print_panties +sailor_chibi_moon +sailor_moon +sailor_moon_(series) +siblings +sisters +smile +socks +usagi_tsukino +vaginal +vaginal_fingering 2girls animated censored cum double_fellatio double_handjob ekikon_kenkyuukai exotic_condenser facial fellatio fingering handjob huge_filesize kneeling loli mosaic_censoring multiple_girls naughty_face nude oral original panties penis tongue tongue_out underwear video_with_sound webm rating:e

You all can check my edit-history if you want...

Everything is fine!

The mods have overlooked Namekianer's changes and they aren't bad or nonsensical. In fact, they help to make a better database. Also, remember behind the scenes we mods discuss a lot about various things such as tags and how to properly label something when we're not sure.

If someone is making bad changes, contact us so we can handle it. Between myself, Selcome, Thatenemy and JimmyTooShoes someone will be online to deal with the issue soon.

Now deleting tags might be an issue but from the example list provided. I agree with Namekianer. The general guideline is 10 general tags Not including artist, character, and/or parody.

Basically, you must be able to look at a pic and say at least 10 things going on without mentioning who the artist or the character or where they might be from anything after the 10 is just gravy.

And moreover not just any tags! Someone looking for a young boy impregnating someone isn't going to be happy if (s)he uses the missionary tag and they get 2 boys?

So ten good general tags. So thanks Namekianer for your invested time and interest and helping out with the gallery. Your work at least by the Mods is appreciated.

namekianer said:

wrong /falsch

i guess i should explain my edits a little bit.

1- (S)He removes the "missionary" tag from artworks featuring 2 boys (no male + female). EDIT: Actually, I think it's the fact that not both of them are "lying down" is what makes this person remove the tag.
must i realy explain the most used sex_position of us humans? i hope not...

2- (S)He removes the 1girl/2girls/etc from artworks that feature futas. This also implies "loli".
if you dont know the difference between boys, girls, futanari, newhalf, im just wasting my time.
girls have no penis after all...

3- (S)He removes the "loli" tag from artworks that feature a somewhat older looking girl.
correct! i removed the tag when we have 1 single person on the pic. no age_regression/ age_progression and the upload was tagged with loli AND teenager.
no need to be a genius: one of the tags is wrong.

4- (S)He removes the "teenager" tag for whatever reason.
same like point 3

you guys are fast when someone makes "bad edits", but no word that i haved added some sources, charas and artists into the groups.
or edits like that:
92959.155951 » 2019-01-26 14:45 namekianer e +anus +artificial_vagina +bdsm +black_hair +bondage +bottomless +bound +censored +copyright_request +covered_nipples +crab_man +cum +cum_pool +cum_string +flat_chest +futanari +gag +gagged +hair_ornament +hairclip +horns +intersex +leg_up +little_penis +long_hair +monster_girl +mosaic_censoring +navel +open_clothes +open_robe +penis +pointy_ears +pussy_juice +red_skin +robe +saliva +simple_background +socks +solo +spread_legs +sweat +tears +rating:e

OR
262728.154390 » 2019-01-24 18:05 namekianer e +age_difference +animal_ears +blush +bunny_ears +bunny_tail +buttjob +cameltoe +cowgirl_position +deepthroat +drooling +earrings +erection +fangs +fellatio +frottage +girl_on_top +gloves +hat +heart +heart-shaped_pupils +hetero +jewelry +moaning +navel +nipples +oral +orgasm +penis +precum +pussy_juice +saliva +straddling +symbol-shaped_pupils +tail +transparent_clothes +uncensored +undressing 1boy 1girl animated ass cum cum_in_pussy flat_chest gs-mantis halloween highres huge_filesize inflation loli long_hair original pussy vaginal video_with_sound webm rating:e

OR
260285.154104 » 2019-01-23 17:17 namekianer e +1boy +age_difference +ass +black_hair +blue_eyes +blush +bow +chibi_usa +flat_chest +hair_bow +hetero +magical_girl +moaning +open_mouth +print_panties +sailor_chibi_moon +sailor_moon +sailor_moon_(series) +siblings +sisters +smile +socks +usagi_tsukino +vaginal +vaginal_fingering 2girls animated censored cum double_fellatio double_handjob ekikon_kenkyuukai exotic_condenser facial fellatio fingering handjob huge_filesize kneeling loli mosaic_censoring multiple_girls naughty_face nude oral original panties penis tongue tongue_out underwear video_with_sound webm rating:e

You all can check my edit-history if you want...

Actually yes, I'd like to hear your definition of the missionary position then, because it does not appear to follow other image boards' standards. It could be that your definition is the only "official", "right" one for missionary position, but read below.

The problem with the futa thing is that these few changes create inconsistencies between how by far most of the futa stuff is tagged, and the stuff where you have removed the 1girl, etc, tags. I'm not saying the change itself is nonsensical, but it just seems unnecessary.

My two cents.
If a tag is misused for years,discontinuing this is a good thing.
A futanari (literraly "chick with dick") is either a hermaphrodite if the character is implied to have an uterus, or a male if he doesn't even have a vulva.
A girl tag should be only for characters with:
1)- a single type of genital, (VERY important)
2)- an implied uterus (implied by the presence of a vulva).

He is tagging correctly.
Too esl to comment on missionary, lol I dunno.

Unkaar said:

My two cents.
If a tag is misused for years,discontinuing this is a good thing.
A futanari (literraly "chick with dick") is either a hermaphrodite if the character is implied to have an uterus, or a male if he doesn't even have a vulva.
A girl tag should be only for characters with:
1)- a single type of genital, (VERY important)
2)- an implied uterus (implied by the presence of a vulva).

He is tagging correctly.
Too esl to comment on missionary, lol I dunno.

Yes, I agree, somewhat, but the problem is that there are now a dozen of posts with futanari without the 1girl, 2girls, etc. tags, and probably thousands WITH the 1girl, 2girls, etc. tag. Now there is an inconsistency unless we were to change every single post tagged with futanari. I don't think that's a good thing.

@jay19
You are welcome, nice to hear that.
i agree, 10 tags should be the minimum before someone remove the "tagme".

@Unkaar
thanks!
penis and vulva/vagina => futanari
penis and breasts => newhalf
penis => male
vagina => female

i guess this "guideline" will avoid mistakes.

@thatenemy
the problem is that a fan of girls/lolis/catgirls (and so on) wont see girls with an, um, "extra" (penis).
on "our" page, futanari are tagged as intersex too, not as female.

oh, the missionay-thing:
a little lesson about history= the missioners have bring the Christendom all over the world. with praying, torture (Inquisition) and so on.
but they have had a problem with sex, this savage people have sex like animals (modern: doggystyle), and as the "crown of the creation" the church have interact.
they have created the "missionary position" (got the name from the "teachers").

i must not explain that yaoi/gay sex was a sin and not allowed, right?

someone send me a url to wikipedia, because i have removed the missionary_position-tag from yaoi-pics.
the explaining of the position is correct, but just the first part:
short form: girl on back, man over her, they have vaginal sex.

so, the tag is wrong for yaoi/ futas/ or 2 girls using sextoys like dildos, strap-on...

but hey, if you want use the "missionary" for yaoi and co, i will deal with it.

i have some years experience as an gallery-mod.
so maybe i can help you to create some good guidelines/rules for your page.
just if you guys need help...

I appreciate that, but I think we'll have to look over our rules first with our moderation team, if I find the time and motivation to do so.

And like I said before, you may be right about those tags, but it's used "the wrong way" so much that I doubt it's worth changing every upload that use them incorrectly. We'll see about that soon, I guess.

Okay....
But you guys should not wait to long. I mean, the member here making uploads everyday.
If you wait a long time you guys have more to repair...

Btw: have you here a tag to tag option?
I mean, when i write a special tag the system will add a choosen tag when i send my edit.
something like: dildo double_dildo egg_vibrator vibrator anal_beads butt_plug get a "sextoy" added,
bikini micro_bikini one-piece_swimsuit get a "swimsuit",
bra pantsu a "underwear" (and so on).

and maybe you guys should create some (more) aliases.
i found some tags, 1-2 times used. "pink-striped_legwear" (1 times)

namekianer said:

Okay....
But you guys should not wait to long. I mean, the member here making uploads everyday.
If you wait a long time you guys have more to repair...

Btw: have you here a tag to tag option?
I mean, when i write a special tag the system will add a choosen tag when i send my edit.
something like: dildo double_dildo egg_vibrator vibrator anal_beads butt_plug get a "sextoy" added,
bikini micro_bikini one-piece_swimsuit get a "swimsuit",
bra pantsu a "underwear" (and so on).

and maybe you guys should create some (more) aliases.
i found some tags, 1-2 times used. "pink-striped_legwear" (1 times)

Any user should be able to request aliases and implications. We will then review them before either approving or rejecting them. Feel free to use this feature.
Rarely used tags aren't really a problem since their existence isn't really bad or good (as long as they are relevant tags).

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