People need to put more effort into their tagging

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I’ve been noticing a lot of uploads with very few tags. Usually it’s literally four tags. One artist tag, one copyright tag, one character tag and then one content tag. Someone really needs to do something about this as it forces other users like myself to tag everything in the image when really the uploaded is the one who needs to remember tag at least until they see the little yellow emoji in the corner has a happy face. This problem has been going for too long and there really needs to be a reminder upon uploading to put more effort into tagging the stuff they upload. I’ve even seen a few cases where even images uploaded by staff are poorly tagged with very few tags for it. I don’t want to sound rude or anything. But if you’re an admin and you’re uploading something. At least add more than four tags to whatever it is you’re uploading.

Please do not take this as me being rude. I’m just giving some word of advice.

Now I understand if it's a post where you don't really know what else there is to tag. But whenever it's pretty obvious there was no effort putting more than four tags for a post. Then that's just lazy and leaves a lot of work to get done for everyone else.

Basically they just add a few tags and then upload and don't even bother tagging it with stuff such as "loli, sex, anal, age difference, clothed sex, etc.".

100% correct. the problem is not new and mass-uploads are the biggest problem (1 user, many uploads, 2-3 tags are added with copy+paste).

10 tags should be the minimum for every user.

i only know 1 way to solve this problem: you/we have to pm the lazy member, teaching them the basic tags.

yeah i can be one of those users. if i tags very little is either cause im doing a bulk upload or im too tired or in a hurry and just get the necessaries however i usually come back and fix my tags later. so if you see my posts with a few tags i will usually fix them later.

albertdx and the hornyz user are not very good at tagging.

DontTouchMyCogs said:

yeah i can be one of those users. if i tags very little is either cause im doing a bulk upload or im too tired or in a hurry and just get the necessaries however i usually come back and fix my tags later. so if you see my posts with a few tags i will usually fix them later.

albertdx and the hornyz user are not very good at tagging.

If you go to your settings on your account and click "advanced". You'll have a "watched tags" list which can make it a LOT easier and faster to tag stuff. All you do is add tags you would normally do into the watched tags list and it'll make tagging uploads ALOT easier.

ilovelolicon said:

If you go to your settings on your account and click "advanced". You'll have a "watched tags" list which can make it a LOT easier and faster to tag stuff. All you do is add tags you would normally do into the watched tags list and it'll make tagging uploads ALOT easier.

thanks i'll check it out. this site is like an easter egg to me. you never know what you will find lol.

DontTouchMyCogs said:

thanks i'll check it out. this site is like an easter egg to me. you never know what you will find lol.

I’ve also had an issue with a lot of ratings on certain images. People keep rating their uploads with “explicit”. Even on images that have absolutely nothing pornographic material or violence in them what so ever. And some of these users really need to know the difference between “questionable” images and “explicit” images.

If it’s just a character in a sexy pose or being topless. That’s where you would rate it questionable. But if the image includes a straight up naked character or a character having sex. Then that’s where you would rate it explicit.

If your post is quality and popular, someone will tag it. If it isn't, tags might help get it approved.

My gripe is too many tags, irrelevant tags and new tags... particularly the latter. If you have a bunch of single tags on your post, stop it. It's usually the result of copy and pasting tags from another site. Remember that other sites use tags that we don't use for many reasons.

For example, furry sites like e621 use tags with "human" to describe posts with non furries in them such as "male_on_human", "human_focus", or even just plain "human". While these tags are useful in a furry board, they are unnecessary here. Imagine if every post here that had a human had the tag "human". Also they use tags that describe fur color, fur patterns, animal genus names, body forms and a whole mess of things. Yes, if I was looking in a furry site, it might matter to have tags like "lagomorph", "hindpaw", "inner_ear_fluff", "pink_nose", "leg_markings" but not so much here in our site. These tags have infiltrated our board by lazy copy and pasting. I do try to eliminate these tags but I choose which ones carefully as not to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended).

Please, please, please, edit copy and paste tags especially from furry boards.

junk719junk said:

If your post is quality and popular, someone will tag it. If it isn't, tags might help get it approved.

My gripe is too many tags, irrelevant tags and new tags... particularly the latter. If you have a bunch of single tags on your post, stop it. It's usually the result of copy and pasting tags from another site. Remember that other sites use tags that we don't use for many reasons.

For example, furry sites like e621 use tags with "human" to describe posts with non furries in them such as "male_on_human", "human_focus", or even just plain "human". While these tags are useful in a furry board, they are unnecessary here. Imagine if every post here that had a human had the tag "human". Also they use tags that describe fur color, fur patterns, animal genus names, body forms and a whole mess of things. Yes, if I was looking in a furry site, it might matter to have tags like "lagomorph", "hindpaw", "inner_ear_fluff", "pink_nose", "leg_markings" but not so much here in our site. These tags have infiltrated our board by lazy copy and pasting. I do try to eliminate these tags but I choose which ones carefully as not to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended).

Please, please, please, edit copy and paste tags especially from furry boards.

I usually only tag things with “human” if it includes both a human and non human in the same image together. Plus, human counts as a species related tag.

But I will agree that e621 has done some idiotic things with their tags.

For Example: They literally made “cute” an invalid tag now. This might just sound like me over exaggerating. But I am honestly offended that they would invalidate such a popular tag to where people who want to take a break from porn every now and then and just look at stuff that is cute and innocent.

ilovelolicon said:
Someone really needs to do something about this as it forces other users like myself to tag everything in the image

You're not -forced- to do it, the option exists for other users to contribute.
In fact for users who don't spend much time locating/downloading/uploading images it gives them something to do.

when really the uploaded is the one who needs to remember tag at least until they see the little yellow emoji in the corner has a happy face.

The ones you mentioned (artist / copyright / character) are obviously the most important since those are things others may not know due to lack of familiarity with an artist's style or a series.

Other things like "this is how many girls are in the image" or "there is a penis visible in the image" could be added by anyone, and it's a great community bonding experience and gives opportunity for the majority of users who just lurk or spam comments to begin constructive habits.

Please do not take this as me being rude. I’m just giving some word of advice.
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whenever it's pretty obvious there was no effort putting more than four tags for a post.
Then that's just lazy and leaves a lot of work to get done for everyone else.

It's "lazy" but you're not being rude?

Basically they just add a few tags and then upload and don't even bother tagging it with stuff such as "loli, sex, anal, age difference, clothed sex, etc.".

It won't show up in a tailored search for those things until someone adds them...
...but OTOH they wouldn't show up if the user hadn't uploaded them in the first place.

namekianer said:
10 tags should be the minimum for every user.
i only know 1 way to solve this problem: you/we have to pm the lazy member, teaching them the basic tags.

You both have triple-digit uploads so I really would hesitate at implying other users who might not get a full ten tags all the time are lazy, especially if they are in the 4-digit or 5-digit contributions.

DontTouchMyCogs said:
yeah i can be one of those users.
if i tags very little is either cause im doing a bulk upload or im too tired or in a hurry and just get the necessaries

yeah and you're definitely not lazy cogs

btw how do you even bulk upload I thought that got disabled? been doing it all 1-by-1 lately

I'll first usually look for a char/artist on places like gelbooru or e621 which already have thorough tagging in place, but if copying from a sparse place like paheal then I'll add some.

Basically my guideline is "I need something to do until the screen turns green, might as well type in some tags" and then finish whatever came to mind once it goes green, so I can prep the next one.

That or if some obvious/standard tags jump out or ones of particular interest.

Tiredness is also a big thing, when you are doing this a lot at some point you just get too zoned out to notice stuff you might tag in other cases like freckles / blushing / glasses / pussy / etc

It's basically a habit you build, to rapidly think of these tags so you can speed-type them before the upload screen turns green.

however i usually come back and fix my tags later. so if you see my posts with a few tags i will usually fix them later.

yeah usually, though sometimes an artist or char or whatev will be left out

really wish we could put in a default where it will list artist request if no red tags are present, copyright request if no purple tags are present, and so on

DTMC
albertdx and the hornyz user are not very good at tagging.

I did it pretty sparsely originally too because of the rush to get stuff in, sometimes when I come across old uploads years late I'll add some more.

It's especially understandable given the loli purges and the desire to get content over here ASAP before it gets purged wherever we find it like Paheal since content tags could come later, the biggest thing is the characters and the artists

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ilovelolicon said:

I’ve also had an issue with a lot of ratings on certain images. People keep rating their uploads with “explicit”. Even on images that have absolutely nothing pornographic material or violence in them what so ever. And some of these users really need to know the difference between “questionable” images and “explicit” images.

If it’s just a character in a sexy pose or being topless. That’s where you would rate it questionable. But if the image includes a straight up naked character or a character having sex. Then that’s where you would rate it explicit.

I'll admit this is an error I commit a lot, and I think I usually catch it but not always.

Basically since the vast majority of what we add is explicit it's like a reflex/instinct to click that.

Even in instances where I think "this is just questionable" or "this is safe" and think I'm clicking a different button, I still end up clicking explicit and need to go back and change it.

You won't see evidence of these errors in the tag history though because AFAIK it only shows changes when a different user makes an edit. If the same user makes a consecutive edit I think the system auto-merges the edits into a single one.

junk719junk said:
furry sites like e621 use tags with "human" to describe posts with non furries in them such as "male_on_human", "human_focus", or even just plain "human".
While these tags are useful in a furry board, they are unnecessary here.
Imagine if every post here that had a human had the tag "human".

It wouldn't be the end of the world.
In the context of copying it from e621 the implication would seem to be that it gets used in images which include a furry character w/ a human.
Conversely - I often have to remember to add 'furry' when copying that stuff over here since e621 doesnt use it due to it being an inherent implication of their content.

Also they use tags that describe fur color, fur patterns, animal genus names, body forms and a whole mess of things. Yes, if I was looking in a furry site, it might matter to have tags like "lagomorph", "hindpaw", "inner_ear_fluff", "pink_nose", "leg_markings" but not so much here in our site. These tags have infiltrated our board by lazy copy and pasting. I do try to eliminate these tags but I choose which ones carefully as not to ruffle anyone's feathers (pun intended).

I'd phrase it "speedy copy and pasting" :)

It's not like those tags would appear on images lacking those contents so it's hard to see what the disruption is

ilovelolicon said:
e621 has done some idiotic things with their tags.

For Example: They literally made “cute” an invalid tag now. This might just sound like me over exaggerating. But I am honestly offended that they would invalidate such a popular tag to where people who want to take a break from porn every now and then and just look at stuff that is cute and innocent.

I imagine they did that due to it being such a subjective issue, much like with 'romantic' or 'funny'.

It's a bit of a judgment call and there can be disagreement on stuff like that, if e621 is higher drama and it's leading to edit wars over what is/isn't "cute" I could see admins deciding that's the easiest solution.

If it ever became a problem here years later I wouldn't object to a similar solution but I don't think any emotions are high on what to call cute/funny/romantic. If someone adds it where I don't agree - meh. If someone removes it when I added it - I probably won't notice.

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feck me! i fell asleep reading the first sentence. you got to learn to type simpler no one will read all that.

"You both have triple-digit uploads so I really would hesitate at implying other users who might not get a full ten tags all the time are lazy, especially if they are in the 4-digit or 5-digit contributions."

bullshit, dont say such lies.
im always tagging my uploads proper and detailed.
thats the reason why i make less uploads!

if you find a post, made by my with less tags: check the tag historie. another member must have removed tags.

@DTMC: less is more (in the forum).
im not sure why he is writing so much. maybe he needs to talk to someone...

I'll tell you what I'm doing now that I have approval powers (thank you DTMC), I'm just not approving any posts that don't have at least 10 tags and a source. I even made a saved search for it. So if a new post doesn't show up there, I won't be the one to approve it. I want higher standards for our site.

ilovelolicon said:

If you go to your settings on your account and click "advanced". You'll have a "watched tags" list which can make it a LOT easier and faster to tag stuff. All you do is add tags you would normally do into the watched tags list and it'll make tagging uploads ALOT easier.

Oh hell yeah, that feature is the shit. Use it all the time.
My Account > Settings > Advanced > Frequent tags.
I got like 60 tags in there.

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sandlecrantz said:

I'll tell you what I'm doing now that I have approval powers (thank you DTMC), I'm just not approving any posts that don't have at least 10 tags and a source. I even made a saved search for it. So if a new post doesn't show up there, I won't be the one to approve it. I want higher standards for our site.

Oh hell yeah, that feature is the shit. Use it all the time.
My Account > Settings > Advanced > Frequent tags.
I got like 60 tags in there.

limiting the tags to 10 to see what need approving isnt a good idea. people are always gonna suck at tagging

DontTouchMyCogs said:

limiting the tags to 10 to see what need approving isnt a good idea. people are always gonna suck at tagging

They don't on other boorus, just on ones where it's tolerated. We don't have to accept mediocrity. I know you don't personally tag a lot or source your posts, but you provide like the majority of content on this site and you basically run things around here, so I won't get on you for that. Besides, you're the reason I'm able to do what I do here, I owe you my gratitude. But I think it's reasonable to hold 99% of our users to the same standards that danbooru, gelbooru, e621, and others hold their users to. I'm not going to embark on a campaign against everyone who disagrees, but I still want to lead by example. I don't think there's any reason to believe this site can't be as thorough as those others, or at least better tomorrow than it is today.

generally i always include the basic tags. copyright, character, and artist (if i know who the artist is)
then i add general tags at a glance usually the commons and a few for the highlight of that said of the image.

generally my tagging averages between 9 to 13 unless im uploading in bulk. then i cut to a few common tags and the main tags.

i browse this site and look at some of these images with 200 tags. i dont know how that many tags could even exist tbh. tags for stuff i would never even think to use or add. i mean theres even a tag for jpeg compression.

i dont know if taggers are lazy or more so just or just scratching their balls/lips going durrrr now what do i add again?. another words inexperienced and dont know what the heck to add. im sure its mostly lazyness but im sure to some its just over whelming. like ok there 10 cum tags. just for blowing a load in every possible area. when most probably only think to use just use cum as a tag and thats all.

anyways not approving an image just because they didnt tag enough will cause a mess of good images not being approved. a better way of handling it is to DM the person and tell them to tag their posts better and if they dont then a temp ban will be handed out. cause ignoring a post isnt going to get people to tag better.

I also don't think deleting just for a lack of tags is a good idea. As long as they have the obvious stuff, it should be fine. It would be nice to have as many tags on there as possible, but deleting over that probably isn't a good idea.

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