anyone know of safe ways to commission art that protects identity?

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I'm starting to toy with the idea of paying some artists to bring certain ideas to life but I'm not sure how to do this in a way that doesn't give out name and other doxable stuff.

Is that generally what bitcoin is for? Can't use E-transfer since that would give out my bank info.

Bitcoin or other crypto is probably the best way to pay for stuff if you don't want ant kind of paper trail back to you. But i imagine it wouldn't exactly be that easy to find an artist who accepts crypto as payment. Also, no security for the buyer. Although I'm guessing you're looking for something really degenerate if you want that level of separation from it?

FeralD said:

I'm guessing you're looking for something really degenerate if you want that level of separation from it?

Not really, even if it was super-tame clothed loli that type of thing being associated with dox is bad news in the "cancel culture" of the past decade.

Hell even in the one before that.

It would be interesting to experiment with paying in bitcoin, I just don't know how you register an alias to pay with...

It seems like you'd still have to give dox to whoever you paid in the first place to buy the bitcoin, you're just creating a degree of separation between them and the artist, so the artist can't out you but the bitcoin dealer could.

About the only way I could think to secure it is to actually earn bitcoin first via some service you do via a pseudonym and then use that earned wealth to pay artists.

Perhaps one interesting way to do a degree of separation (ie let's call it "privacy laundering") if you can't think of a way to earn money pseudonymsly online to have bitcoin to spend... is you could use your IRL identity to buy bitcoin, then use that bitcoin to send money to your pseudonym, and then use the pseudonym to pay the artist.

Ideally you'd have 2 different dealers of bitcoin that way you'd need 2 points of failure.

I can't imagine that simply buying bitcoin or other crypto would be reason enough to get cancelled. The crypto market is a real deal.

Although, if you're concerned about an artist willing to dox you, i really wouldn't be. Lets say you paid via PayPal, both you and the artist would have a measure of info from each other through the transaction. If for some reason they did decide to dox, you too would have your own payload of info to put out there. Also if this was an established artist, word getting out that they doxed their client would probably hurt their possibility of getting more work. Basically, if they decided to do something stupid, youvery much could make it a case of mutually assured destruction, one the artist would likely come out of much worse than you did.

FeralD said:

I can't imagine that simply buying bitcoin or other crypto would be reason enough to get cancelled. The crypto market is a real deal.

Of course not, it'd raise eyebrows but it's more about what you bought with it.

Although, if you're concerned about an artist willing to dox you, i really wouldn't be. Lets say you paid via PayPal, both you and the artist would have a measure of info from each other through the transaction. If for some reason they did decide to dox, you too would have your own payload of info to put out there.

The worry isn't so much an artist who's still keeping their IRL identity private, but say one who is already outed and lost their job, in desperate straits, resorts to blackmail to stay alive, etc.

I feel horrible thinking this way because I'm sure 99+% of loli artists are honorable and wonderful people who would never turn on their own like that, but I am also prone to being too optimistic and idealistic at times and make a practice of being pessimistic against my instincts.

Like for example what if someone's brain chem changes due to drugs, a car accident, etc which makes them lose their moral bond with their fans?

Also if this was an established artist, word getting out that they doxed their client would probably hurt their possibility of getting more work. Basically, if they decided to do something stupid, youvery much could make it a case of mutually assured destruction, one the artist would likely come out of much worse than you did.

That's a good point, whatever income they might get from either blackmail or selling your dox to the press would be counteracted by lost potential income from future clients.

So maybe it only makes sense for someone who's giving up drawing (maybe they're not very good?) or can't draw (hand eaten by a coyote) so that it's not a lost income.

I'm prob being overly paranoid, I should just pay some damn artists as I've enjoyed so much free stuff over the years.

I'd say being a smidge paranoid around the subject is not necessarily a bad thing. Our interests do after all fall under a very serious taboo, and i imagine there's some rabid individuals on twitter who'd know no greater joy and purpose than to completely destroy the life of someone so much as accused of being a lolicon. And then they'd brag about it to their other soy-filled buddies how they "protected the children", and then resume creeping on some on some rising onlyfans creator...

Okay that went off topic. But i think you get my point.

But I'd say that if you find an established artist, and treat them well, you should probably be fine.

zx29b said:

Go to a convention. Pay in cash.

they don't draw lolis at cons as far as I know, or least not so frequently outside of Japan

tyc said:

they don't draw lolis at cons as far as I know, or least not so frequently outside of Japan

yes crypto would be best but if not thenpay by cash would do then i guess. ive never thought of how to hide your identity for commissions. and sending money via mail is a bad idea anyways...

google anonymous payment methods im sure something exist besides bit coin.

tyc said:

they don't draw lolis at cons as far as I know, or least not so frequently outside of Japan

Not in the convention hall they won't, but at the parties they do not have to follow any rules.

zx29b said:

Not in the convention hall they won't, but at the parties they do not have to follow any rules.

I'm too high-inhib to attend parties :( but maybe FOR THE ARTS will be motivation?

Just an FYI, bitcoin is arguably worse than PayPal as it's a public ledger. With enough digging somebody could, theoretically, link you to the artist. Depending on how the transaction was completed you might even leave enough information for someone to figure out what you paid for. There are coins and tokens that, if used correctly, can provide complete anonymity, and there are ways to make your bitcoin transactions a lot less visible and revealing. I'm not familiar enough with it to really provide any details though, and it's been a few years since I've read up on it. Bitcoin is definitely not anonymous though, so beware and make sure you do your research. :)

festwad said:

Just an FYI, bitcoin is arguably worse than PayPal as it's a public ledger. With enough digging somebody could, theoretically, link you to the artist. Depending on how the transaction was completed you might even leave enough information for someone to figure out what you paid for.

Really? Then what the hell is Bitcoin good for apart from currency speculation and driving up demand for graphics cards?

zx29b said:

Really? Then what the hell is Bitcoin good for apart from currency speculation and driving up demand for graphics cards?

lol You nailed it there. Bitcoin is one of the least useful cryptocurrencies due to the ever-growing transaction cost and confirmation time, but it's still viable for many purposes (for now). Major purchases can still be done with relatively little overhead. You can obfuscate your identity through bitcoin but you have to understand a lot of nuances to do with how transactions are processed, ensure you make payments from a wallet that isn't obviously linked to you (disposable wallets are the way to go here iirc) and ensure that your shipping details aren't leaked, or you use something like a drop-off point. Eh, there may be better ways now, like reliable escrow services that ensure privacy, but I only ever had a theoretical interest in it all.

It's less useful for tax evasion now, but still viable, and it's also a REALLY good way to transfer funds internationally or as currency in countries with runaway inflation or otherwise broken economies. It's also extremely secure, to a detriment if you do something stupid like losing your wallet key.

Ah, remember when Swiss banks would just do all of that illegal bullshit, and we didn't have to rely on internet pyramid schemes to launder money? Good times.

zx29b said:

Ah, remember when Swiss banks would just do all of that illegal bullshit, and we didn't have to rely on internet pyramid schemes to launder money? Good times.

zx29b said:

Ah, remember when Swiss banks would just do all of that illegal bullshit, and we didn't have to rely on internet pyramid schemes to launder money? Good times.

Oh yeah, money laundering! Yeah it can probably do that pretty well too, despite the KYC stuff.

festwad said:

disposable wallets are the way to go here iirc

any recs on where to read an intro on this concept? alien to me

tyc said:

any recs on where to read an intro on this concept? alien to me

Eh... I'm no expert, and I never researched it to the point I'd be confident on making an untraceable transaction or advising on it. My personal recommendation is to study up on it and not just make it on a wing and a prayer if you want to ensure your privacy. At a glance this looks like a good intro: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/is-bitcoin-anonymous-a-complete-beginner-s-guide-1447875283
This has some good stuff too: https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/anonymity/
This reads like it's written purely for clicks, there's some misinformation in there alongside good advice. I'd avoid it altogether until you understand more about bitcoin and then just use it for direction: https://coinsutra.com/anonymous-bitcoin-transactions/

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