the "Upload Feedback Thread"

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When something is deleted you get this message:

>If you don't understand why your upload was deleted, you can ask for advice in the Upload Feedback Thread on the forum.

I couldn't actually find a UFT so I guess I'm creating one now?

I'm thinking we should use an "appealed" tag after issuing an appeal. This would have it so appealed-and-undeleted stuff could be viewed that way, while appealed-yet-remains-deleted could be seen by viewing the deleted subsection of that tag.

Updated by DontTouchMyCogs

tyc said:

When something is deleted you get this message:

>If you don't understand why your upload was deleted, you can ask for advice in the Upload Feedback Thread on the forum.

I couldn't actually find a UFT so I guess I'm creating one now?

I'm thinking we should use an "appealed" tag after issuing an appeal. This would have it so appealed-and-undeleted stuff could be viewed that way, while appealed-yet-remains-deleted could be seen by viewing the deleted subsection of that tag.

Hello there! Sorry if I'm interruptin' anything, but some of my post got deleted, specifically the following...:

1.) Two posts from the artist "slb".
2.) Five posts from the artist "wolftang".
3.) Three posts from the artist "godalmite".
4.) One post from the artist "lm (legoman)".
5.) And one post from the artist "ameizinglewds".

By the time this has been written/typed, the fifth one hasn't been deleted yet, but given how long it's takin' to get approved it most likely will be. My point is that I'm very confused as to why these posts were deleted. I'm hopin' you or at least one of the staff members behind this site could shed some light on me as to why some of my posts got deleted, please. I hope to see a response from you soon. Thank you for your time and have a wonderful day. =)

that is because not every post you posted follows the rules of this site. this site is for loli shota cub young teen etc.

DontTouchMyCogs said:

that is because not every post you posted follows the rules of this site. this site is for loli shota cub young teen etc.

Understandable, sir/ma'am/whatever gender pronouns you prefer. You make a fair point. Counterpoint, though, the deleted "wolftang" arts & "godalmite" arts did feature lolis and shotas, albeit oppai lolis and shota having sex with older women (straight shota). The deleted ones from "dop", "d-art", "chillguydraws", "hyperflannel", and "scrabble007" I can understand, however all the others did feature the previously mentioned (oppai) loli and (straight) shota pics, all being confirmed to be what they are by their creators. Nonetheless, I want to make it clear that I'm not here to start any trouble. If it seemed that way, I apologize because I'm mostly trying to make our world a slightly less dark place with the things I find and want to share with others. Please think it over and let me know when you and the others have made up your mind (or minds) about it. Thank you for your time & have a wonderful day. <=)

Ok, an uploader feedback thread....

...TYC, QUIT POSTING CRAP!...

...that's your feedback.

As for gomumog, feel free to appeal any images and more detailed reasons are given if they fail. Make sure you're straight_shota can stand alone as shota and doesn't focus too much on the non-loli. A good rule of thumb is to imagine the image cropped so it only has the shota. Make sure that oppai still look like loli and don't relay on canon to support their loli status. I usually remain neutral on oppai since I really don't like them, especially ridiculously impossible oppai.

junk719junk said:

Ok, an uploader feedback thread....

...TYC, QUIT POSTING CRAP!...

...that's your feedback.

As for gomumog, feel free to appeal any images and more detailed reasons are given if they fail. Make sure you're straight_shota can stand alone as shota and doesn't focus too much on the non-loli. A good rule of thumb is to imagine the image cropped so it only has the shota. Make sure that oppai still look like loli and don't relay on canon to support their loli status. I usually remain neutral on oppai since I really don't like them, especially ridiculously impossible oppai.

Duly noted. Thank you. ^_^

junk719junk said:
...TYC, QUIT POSTING CRAP!...
...that's your feedback.

*tries to remember what he added 11 days ago that might have triggered this, assuming it was a response to something recent*

is there some way we can do custom tag searches by doing upload date parameters?

tyc said:

*tries to remember what he added 11 days ago that might have triggered this, assuming it was a response to something recent*

is there some way we can do custom tag searches by doing upload date parameters?

what he added? hes talking about you dude.

DontTouchMyCogs said:

what he added? hes talking about you dude.

I have a habit of talking in the 3rd person sometimes

tyc said:

*tries to remember what he added 11 days ago that might have triggered this, assuming it was a response to something recent*

is there some way we can do custom tag searches by doing upload date parameters?

Try searching your own deleted uploads

https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts?tags=status%3Adeleted+user%3Atyc

Note, this does not include posts that have been expunged or posts that DontTouchMyCogs accidental approved

Nothing in particular, but the god aweful, unrecognizable posts of Data and Lal are from around that time.

junk719junk said:
the god aweful, unrecognizable posts of Data and Lal are from around that time.

Something as rare as drawing Data+Lal age-regressed into loli/shota format having father-daughter incest I think deserves a greater degree of flexibility in the quality department.

I know the proportions were really weird but I can see the artist still put in some effort. This isn't some shitty napkin, they put in the time, it has the erotic elements even if it's a bit Picasso-ish.

Plus we know same person drew all three pics in 2007 or earlier (warrior uploaded all 3 but I don't think they're his) and it's sort of a mystery to figure out who did it, hoping we might figure that out if someone down the line notices a similarity in the artwork.

It actually seems vaguely familiar to me but I can't place it... just might've seen this style on some other obscure work before.

tyc said:

Something as rare as drawing Data+Lal age-regressed into loli/shota format having father-daughter incest I think deserves a greater degree of flexibility in the quality department.

I know the proportions were really weird but I can see the artist still put in some effort. This isn't some shitty napkin, they put in the time, it has the erotic elements even if it's a bit Picasso-ish.

Plus we know same person drew all three pics in 2007 or earlier (warrior uploaded all 3 but I don't think they're his) and it's sort of a mystery to figure out who did it, hoping we might figure that out if someone down the line notices a similarity in the artwork.

It actually seems vaguely familiar to me but I can't place it... just might've seen this style on some other obscure work before.

You grab these from paheal. They were posted 15 years ago. They received a lot of bad comments back then... including one from you, "This reminds me of the fail anime tongue".

AND YET YOU POSTED IT HERE... WHY?!

Who cares if you think that Lal and Data porn is rare. It was so bad, and an artist or source was not credited, that it could have easily been tagged as anything. It could have easily been identified as a bad drawing of the Wonder Twins Jayna and Zan!

Let me remind you again...

WE ARE NOT A RULE 34 SITE!!!

Paheal is... was... a site dedicated to fulfilling rule 34. Even if it was a crappy drawning, they would accept it if there was not enough representation of it. We are a site dedicated to loli, shota, and cub. If there is never a quality loli image of Lal, we are fine with that. We don't need Napoleon Dynamite to pain stakingly spend 3 hours just shading the upper lip of of a crappy drawning of Lal even if it's the best drawing he's ever done.

We have a system in place to weed out unwanted posts. God knows it isn't perfect, but we try to have some sort of quality control. Help us out by posting the best you can find rather than posting low quality or rule breaking images hoping that it some how slips in.

honestly tyc maybe if you want ot keep these "rare drawings" why not start your own booru or r34 site. then you wont get banned every where you step and then you can post as much content as you want with out rejection. im sure it will gain popularity if you do loli shota.

every site like this has a catch.

DontTouchMyCogs said:

honestly tyc maybe if you want ot keep these "rare drawings" why not start your own booru or r34 site. then you wont get banned every where you step and then you can post as much content as you want with out rejection. im sure it will gain popularity if you do loli shota.

every site like this has a catch.

You could call it allthatfelled...

junk719junk said:
YET YOU POSTED IT HERE... WHY?!
Who cares if you think that Lal and Data porn is rare.

Both of these questions seem rhetorical, I think you already know the answer to them.

It was so bad, and an artist or source was not credited, that it could have easily been tagged as anything.
It could have easily been identified as a bad drawing of the Wonder Twins Jayna and Zan!

I can't find a "tag history" on all three images so I'm going to assume the tags never got changed and that it was the uploader Warrior who put those tags there.

He was active from 2007 to 2011 so we probably won't be receiving any replies to any PM inquiries to ask where he found them.

Let me remind you again...
WE ARE NOT A RULE 34 SITE!!!
Paheal is... was... a site dedicated to fulfilling rule 34.
Even if it was a crappy drawning, they would accept it if there was not enough representation of it.
We are a site dedicated to loli, shota, and cub.
If there is never a quality loli image of Lal, we are fine with that.

A very royal "We" as if you speak for our evolving userbase.

I am fine with a high standard like "if we have a lot of well-drawn art of popular characters we should (soft) delete the badly-drawn art".

But I do think that for chars who lack masterpieces we can afford to be more flexible: it is after all the (relatively) BEST art that exists of a character in that context.

We don't need Napoleon Dynamite to pain stakingly spend 3 hours just shading the upper lip of of a crappy drawning of Lal even if it's the best drawing he's ever done.

We don't in theory 'need' ANY art in any objective sense, the 'need' for anything is always subjective, so maybe instead of "we don't need" just say "I don't want".

We have a system in place to weed out unwanted posts. God knows it isn't perfect, but we try to have some sort of quality control. Help us out by posting the best you can find rather than posting low quality or rule breaking images hoping that it some how slips in.

despite the weirdness of those 3 pics I actually do see quality and eroticness in them

I think maybe you're overwhelmed by the shitty aspects that you can't see past them to see the beauty in them, it's pretty hard to do I'll admit.

Think of how people who don't actually have gore fetishes can look past the gore in guro to actually appreciate other aspects of the art. That's what I'm doing here.

To use the example of https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/374135
1) LAL's eyes as she looks up at Data
2) how LAL's knees are adducted inward hugging Data's pelvis
3) artist actually took the time to try and draw patellas, something absent in a lot of bent-knee artwork of certain toon chars usually to try and stay on-model because the show itself neglects patellas
4) as fucked-up as Data looks, the artist took the time to try for deltoid and tricep muscles and elbow tendons
5) actually drew ANKLES for LAL

Basically there is a lot of high-quality things to this artwork which fascinates me. You could do a study between the decent stuff (ie artist gives LAL a wrist-joint) in contrast to the weird stuff (strange 3-fingered toon hands)

It's almost like a talented artist is mixing good w/ bad in a kind of charicature.

Contrast this to https://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/tadanobonji/1 for example which I'd added back in 2017. Here we see cartoonish tits drawn onto lolis and comical elbows/knees (curvy limbs like Olive Oyl) yet the artist puts a lot of effort into capturing the faces of these WMT girls and just has this fascinating effort put towards depicting them grappling as sumo wrestlers.

I remember finding that because I was big into watching WMT about five years ago and disappointed about the underwhelming art that existed for such long-running excellent shows and wanted to preserve as much as possible.

Do we not think of ourselves as historians? Can we not preserve the mediocre with the best? What percentile of the best will be kept? Will we just gradually erase more and more things once acceptable as more and more artists improve over time?

TadanoBonji wrote kanji on it, put effort into coloring it (with crayon no less). It's just amazing stuff to me. Seems to be gone off Pixiv now too, so if Paheal ever nuked that aspect of loli culture, Tadanobonji's art would be lost to us forever. Does it really deserve to be, or can we not accept it as a beloved little bro who made an effort to depict what he loves?

DontTouchMyCogs said:
honestly tyc maybe if you want ot keep these "rare drawings" why not start your own booru or r34 site.

because it's on-topic and really trying to help avoid the problem of purity-spiral infighting which could wreck the culture here

Think of all the energy being wasted thinking about Warrior's LAL uploads (or the Tadanobonji stuff if it was ever attempted here) instead of building the database.

because it's on-topic and really trying to help avoid the problem of purity-spiral infighting which could wreck the culture here

If you cared about that you wouldn't post political trash.

tyc said:

Both of these questions seem rhetorical, I think you already know the answer to them.

I can't find a "tag history" on all three images so I'm going to assume the tags never got changed and that it was the uploader Warrior who put those tags there.

He was active from 2007 to 2011 so we probably won't be receiving any replies to any PM inquiries to ask where he found them.

A very royal "We" as if you speak for our evolving userbase.

I am fine with a high standard like "if we have a lot of well-drawn art of popular characters we should (soft) delete the badly-drawn art".

But I do think that for chars who lack masterpieces we can afford to be more flexible: it is after all the (relatively) BEST art that exists of a character in that context.

We don't in theory 'need' ANY art in any objective sense, the 'need' for anything is always subjective, so maybe instead of "we don't need" just say "I don't want".

despite the weirdness of those 3 pics I actually do see quality and eroticness in them

I think maybe you're overwhelmed by the shitty aspects that you can't see past them to see the beauty in them, it's pretty hard to do I'll admit.

Think of how people who don't actually have gore fetishes can look past the gore in guro to actually appreciate other aspects of the art. That's what I'm doing here.

To use the example of https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/374135
1) LAL's eyes as she looks up at Data
2) how LAL's knees are adducted inward hugging Data's pelvis
3) artist actually took the time to try and draw patellas, something absent in a lot of bent-knee artwork of certain toon chars usually to try and stay on-model because the show itself neglects patellas
4) as fucked-up as Data looks, the artist took the time to try for deltoid and tricep muscles and elbow tendons
5) actually drew ANKLES for LAL

Basically there is a lot of high-quality things to this artwork which fascinates me. You could do a study between the decent stuff (ie artist gives LAL a wrist-joint) in contrast to the weird stuff (strange 3-fingered toon hands)

It's almost like a talented artist is mixing good w/ bad in a kind of charicature.

Contrast this to https://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/tadanobonji/1 for example which I'd added back in 2017. Here we see cartoonish tits drawn onto lolis and comical elbows/knees (curvy limbs like Olive Oyl) yet the artist puts a lot of effort into capturing the faces of these WMT girls and just has this fascinating effort put towards depicting them grappling as sumo wrestlers.

I remember finding that because I was big into watching WMT about five years ago and disappointed about the underwhelming art that existed for such long-running excellent shows and wanted to preserve as much as possible.

Do we not think of ourselves as historians? Can we not preserve the mediocre with the best? What percentile of the best will be kept? Will we just gradually erase more and more things once acceptable as more and more artists improve over time?

TadanoBonji wrote kanji on it, put effort into coloring it (with crayon no less). It's just amazing stuff to me. Seems to be gone off Pixiv now too, so if Paheal ever nuked that aspect of loli culture, Tadanobonji's art would be lost to us forever. Does it really deserve to be, or can we not accept it as a beloved little bro who made an effort to depict what he loves?

because it's on-topic and really trying to help avoid the problem of purity-spiral infighting which could wreck the culture here

Think of all the energy being wasted thinking about Warrior's LAL uploads (or the Tadanobonji stuff if it was ever attempted here) instead of building the database.

I hope all that whining was worth your well deserved 3 day ban. You are the first person that I had to ban. Congratulations. My "feedback" would be to lay low after you come back. Now that I let the ban hammer swing, I have no reservations to let it swing again.

junk719junk said:
I hope all that whining was worth your well deserved 3 day ban.
You are the first person that I had to ban.

You did not "have to" ban me.
Your obligation as a moderator is to enforce the rules, and there is not a rule against "whining", as you put it.
A term you used to summarize my detailed explanation of the quality I saw in a particular piece.

Congratulations.
My "feedback" would be to lay low after you come back.
Now that I let the ban hammer swing, I have no reservations to let it swing again.

I'm not going to cower from you.
If you want to continue to abuse the mod powers you were entrusted with to create another unjustified ban to punish someone for saying positive things about a particular artist's approach to drawing loli, I look forward to it.

That type of thing will eventually make it more apparent to the rest of the userbase and to the admins how you operate.

DontTouchMyCogs said:

juck i'll take care of tyc.

I don't think that a three-day ban was long enough for him if he's going to come out like this. I think he needs a week now.

Oh, yeah, and what do you know about the rules? You don't follow them. Here are just some of the rules you don't follow (and I'm cut and pasting them):

You will make a best faith effort to upload only high quality loli, shota, and cub content.

Even when content passes the quality and content standards, we require the artist to be somewhat skilled. We will not accept badly drawn doodles, whether intentional or because of lack of skill, nor do we accept bad edits, crops of scenes from a copyrighted show, etc.

Modified art of someone else: Edits can be allowed as long as they are competent and make sense (e.g. uncensoring), and as long as the original artist is credited. Lazy recolours, badly done nude-edits, etc. are not allowed.

Lower resolution content is fine as long as anything that is depicted is clearly distinguishable and visible, and text is readable. If a higher resolution version of the same artwork is uploaded by the same user or someone else, the lower resolution one will be removed. Similarly, if a lower resolution version is uploaded, it'll be removed.

Maliciously or carelessly uploading content that has been rejected before from the same user can result in a temporary or permanent ban, depending on severity and intent. The same can apply when uploading content that is similar to previously rejected content from the same user.

Don't be an asshole. Don't insult other users, don't be a racist, etc.

Maliciously using the wrong tags can result in a temporary or permanent ban.

Do not add tags that don't exist if there is no good reason for it. Try first checking synomyms to make sure an existing tag isn't already present before adding a new one. Having separate tags to refer to the same character or source material is annoying and unnecessary. Don't create tags if they seem to be unnecessary. If you are not sure about creating one, it probably means you shouldn't.

Let me tell you tyc, you are lucky donttouchmycogs is will to go to bat for you. I don't see anyone else coming up to defend you. If you don't want to take my advise and "lay low" at least don't ignore his advise as he seems to be the only obstacle to banning you again, and a short path to permanent ban...

...and don't think the only deterrents I have for your behavior are bans. I've discussed methods with donttouchmycogs that I did not act upon because he thought they were too severe. It was HIS suggestion that I just stick to bans.

and i agree with junk regarding the rules of this site. tyc you do need to follow the rules better. you dont need to post every scribble that make your dick twitch. im trying to be fair and generous since you do post good stuff too. anyways im gonna lock this topic i dont want anymore arguing.

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